Tuesday, February 25, 2014

Part III

Part III

I think Phaedrus’s reaction to Quality (214) is how I and many of my classmates are feeling about it. Quality, not quality but capital Q Quality; but what does that really mean? What creates Quality, because I see it as a very personal interpretation? We can’t place one, blanket definition on Quality because everyone has his or her own determining factors of Quality.

Pirsig claims that Phaedrus said in one of his papers that, “ These estheticians think their subject is some king of peppermint bonbon they’re entitled to smack their fat lips on; something to be devoured; something to be intellectually knifed, forked and spooned up bit by bit with appropriate delicate remarks and I’m ready to throw up.”

I like this for two reasons; firstly this is one of the first times that I really enjoyed Pirsig’s writing. I liked the deliberate description that took place. Even though it’s just a sentence made up of words, it jumps out to me and I appreciate when a writer does that.  As a business student and a student in general I see a lot of writing that does not speak to me or essentially draw me into the text. So when a writer does that I get super excited because I know I’m about to enjoy reading.
I also wanted to point out this passage because when I first read it I had this image of a young man, Phaedrus, really writing this about Quality to an ancient scholar of that time. I imagined Phaedrus to be a sharp boy, brimming with witty comments always ready to challenge his teachers even when he knew it would get him in trouble. From my perception of Phaedrus this was a prefect comment, scorning those damn peppermint bonbons.


I was kind of caught by surprise when Pirsig flat out just says he wanted to go into some day to day information. But what really got me is when he says “and I’m not quite sure how to go about this” (260). I have been recently thinking about the different styles and approaches there are to writing, especially because my new job has me writing as someone who is well versed in genetic research. I could never say “and I’m not quite sure how to go about this,” it just wouldn’t be acceptable. Firstly I could never actually use I in my writing because it is scientific/ research driven. Additionally I would lose credibility. Here I feel like there is something to be said for Pirsig’s honest attempt at going about conveying this information, where as if I said that, I would instantly be discredited. In Pirsig’s example he could almost be called wise, because he is admitting to his lack of ability. It reminds me very much of Socrates and his belief that we in fact know little to nothing.



Back to capital Q Quality. I was frustrated by the notion that Pirsig gives, “ it’s our habit of assigning Quality to subject or objects that give this impression” (297). However we still do not have a clear or in my opinion complete definition of Quality. And if we go back to my above rant on Quality the point comes up again that we give Quality to subject or objects based on personal perception of Quality, which I am beginning to interpret and interchange with value. However, value seems to be more easily defined, with many individuals finding the same properties valuable.  

1 comment:

  1. Yeah, but... there's value and then there's Value, right (j/k)? I took metaphysics a few semesters ago and we started the semester off talking about Plato's Forms, and carried it through the entire semester. Whenever I see that type of distinction made between a word and its Capitalized version, this is where I go to, and I think that this is where our western minds get it. So, Plato would answer you by saying that of course you can't define Quality. The only people capable are philosophers, and even they can only ever grasp deep within their philosopher mind what Quality means. He would say that the discussion we are having is not at all about Quality, but about quality. What drives us to answer questions like this is the recognition of Quality in the quality we see. So, if Plato is right (which seems mostly mythologically true to our western thought), then there can only ever be subjective perceptions of quality, because that is all we have at our disposal. Better to be forced to drink hemlock than try to explain the unexplainable.

    Translating Plato's Ideology to something that is actually useful, I think it beneficial to make a modern distinction between Q and q. Q is the ideal (sorry for the platonic term) concept of quality... what we strive to achieve, and q is what we actually have available. As long as we strive for the unattainable Q, then we will most likely achieve q. If we reach Q, then it is not the ideal, and we have to adjust our definition, otherwise, we will stop trying to attain Q and thus no longer obtain q. Q always remains just beyond reach, but q is simple and easy to define.

    Last thought on this, if Q doesn't exist, are we worse off than before the thought of it ever entered our consciousness? :)

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